The Inside Job: Elevating Your Consciousness with Eleanor Claire Johnson

The Inside Job: Elevating Your Consciousness with Eleanor Claire Johnson



SPEAKER_1: You’re listening to She Grabs The Mic, and I’m your host, Cole Baker-Bagwell.

SPEAKER_1: Every week, we’ll explore what it means to be happy, present, and whole.

SPEAKER_1: You’ll hear from courageous women who are kicking ass in their lives, and leave with actionable tips that you can apply to reset from toxicity, tune in to your gold, and live powerfully from the bedroom to the boardroom.

SPEAKER_1: Right now, it’s time to grab your headphones, kick back and relax, and get ready to be inspired.

SPEAKER_1: Welcome, Amazing Ones!

SPEAKER_1: I am so glad that you have chosen to spend a slice of your day with me, to learn about yourself, to grow, and to step into all of the magic that you have.

SPEAKER_1: This week, I have an incredible guest to introduce you to.

SPEAKER_1: Her name is Eleanor Claire Johnson.

SPEAKER_1: She is an absolute powerhouse of a woman with so much wisdom to share.

SPEAKER_1: And I know you are going to absolutely love everything she has to share with you.

SPEAKER_1: You will love this conversation.

SPEAKER_1: Because Eleanor is the epitome of kindness.

SPEAKER_1: She is the epitome of living by your own rules and leaving everyone and everything just a little bit better.

SPEAKER_1: She is a long time practicing Buddhist, a documentary filmmaker, and an activist for global peace who has lived so many exciting lives.

SPEAKER_1: Today, Eleanor and I are going to talk about the importance of hope, the power of presence, the upside of finding commonalities across generations and cultures, and the role of consciousness in shaping this beautiful world that we share.

SPEAKER_1: Eleanor, welcome, welcome, welcome! I am so thrilled that you are here.

SPEAKER_2: It’s an honor to be here with you, Cole, and also to just have the privilege of being able to dive deeply into these very important topics.

SPEAKER_2: It’s an honor.
SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
SPEAKER_1: You’re welcome.
SPEAKER_1: You know, the first time I met you, gosh, I just got this amazing vibe from you.

SPEAKER_1: And, you know, vibrations, as you and I well know, are real.

SPEAKER_1: But what was extraordinary about it is that I picked up this vibe and you were like, we’re on opposite sides of the United States from each other.

SPEAKER_2: Right.


SPEAKER_1: I mean, you’ve got you’ve got power in presence, lady.

SPEAKER_1: I just want you to know that.

SPEAKER_2: Thank you.

SPEAKER_1: You’re welcome.

SPEAKER_1: Thank you again.

SPEAKER_1: So, Eleanor, we are at this really interesting chapter in human history.

SPEAKER_1: Tell me what’s turning you on the most as you think about our individual and collective possibilities.

SPEAKER_2: Well, the thing that seems most central right now is in the face of all of the breakdowns, all of the challenges that we’re all facing in terms of the changes that we’re, you know, we’re up against in terms of technology and the fact that our, you know, our world is just in such crisis.

SPEAKER_2: And how do we find a way to keep reinforcing our own internal strength so that we cannot get pulled in to all of this negativity and all of this fear and all of this sense of hopelessness?

SPEAKER_2: And you mentioned in the beginning hope, which I feel is really, really important right now and not in any kind of superficial way.

SPEAKER_2: But how do we find a way to stabilize internally in the face of all that’s going on right now?

SPEAKER_1: Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_1: And, you know, you’ve mentioned a few important things here.

SPEAKER_1: You’ve mentioned, you know, this intersection of technology and humanity.

SPEAKER_1: You have acknowledged the, you know, the divide and the fear that’s causing fear in this world, causing fear in us.

SPEAKER_1: The sense of hopelessness.

SPEAKER_1: What really gets you excited as you think about humanity and possibilities?

SPEAKER_2: Well, right now, in terms of being able to have the, you know, the, I guess the word that comes to me at this stage in my life is, you know, I’m grounded in a stability and an ability, you know, just the, I’m very, I’m just, I’m very hopeful.

SPEAKER_2: There’s an enthusiasm that comes from knowing that there is an awakening that’s happening on the planet at the same time as there’s all of this disassembling, you know, all of this breakdown.

SPEAKER_2: So many of the values that have been, you know, our ground of being are shifting.

SPEAKER_2: And, you know, just being able to have that awareness simultaneously with all the other bad news or all the ways that, you know, our media is focused on negativity.

SPEAKER_2: And people are very concerned.
SPEAKER_2: These are very, very challenging times.
SPEAKER_2: And they’re also very dangerous times.
SPEAKER_2: But simultaneously with this, there’s this great awakening within humanity. SPEAKER_2: And they’re saying this is the first time that this has ever happened in human history. SPEAKER_2: So, you know, that gives me a lot of encouragement.

SPEAKER_2: And I stay very, very present with that in the face of all of this other, you know, just, you know, onslaught of negativity.

SPEAKER_2: Part of it for me, too, is that I’m involved with so much research and so many of the individuals and organizations that are doing remarkable work on the planet.

SPEAKER_2: And so having that information is very important to me and something that I’ve worked very hard to maintain.

SPEAKER_2: And it’s not like we can pick up the, you know, our local newspaper and read all the good news.

SPEAKER_2: Just the opposite, actually.

SPEAKER_2: And being someone who’s also worked as a peacekeeper all of my adult life as an artist and also as a spiritual practitioner, it’s like we’re now, you know, in a time of war.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I’ve dealt so much with, you know, looking at how we learn from all of the tragedies of the past and what, you know, what history can teach us.

SPEAKER_2: And right now, it seems like all the patterns are playing out simultaneously. SPEAKER_2: It’s a very, it’s a very challenging time.

SPEAKER_1: So for people who may not understand the word awakening, I’m wondering if you can share a little insight around the word and what you’re noticing based on the research and the people that you’re working with and connected with around the world.

SPEAKER_1: What are some of the things that other women could start looking for or becoming more aware of as we talk about awakening?

SPEAKER_2: That’s an interesting, to define awakening.

SPEAKER_2: Awakening, I mean, in one way you can think of it is how we, you know, we become familiar with our own process of integration, how we start working with all of the areas in our own life that are challenges for us.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, all of our obstacles, our fears, our relationship to crisis, how we look at balancing the both and so that we’re not, you know, we’re not caught in that which divides and separates or relies on projecting out, you know, that the outside holds all of it, rather than coming into a relationship with all of it and coming into a relationship with how we work with our, you know, our trigger points, our traumas, our fears, our dissatisfaction, our addictions, you know, all the things that kind of, you know, are blocks to our own.

SPEAKER_2: I don’t want to use the word happiness, but just, you know, well-being, a sense of being in, you know, having, being in relationship to our wholism, to all the different parts of ourselves.

SPEAKER_2: Awakening, in many ways, is just becoming conscious, becoming conscious of what’s unconscious, becoming, you know, more enthusiastic about, about learning about ourselves as a way of also, you know, learning more about the world that we’re part of, but it’s, it’s internal, it’s an inside job.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, for so many years of our lives, we just, you know, it’s all out projected, it’s all the problems, you know, are out there.

SPEAKER_2: But when, with the way that things are in our world today, it’s like, it’s really helpful to, to,

you know, to, to come into a new relationship with our own relationship with, with the world and with ourselves and with each other.

SPEAKER_1: That’s beautiful.
SPEAKER_2: So, you know, again, the inside job, it’s, you know, bringing it in.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I remember, you know, years and years ago, it’s like being at this age in my own life.

SPEAKER_2: But, you know, years and years ago, when, you know, many of us were, you know, involved with the work of Joseph Campbell, the great mythologist.

SPEAKER_2: And he would often say to us, we’re not on our journey to save the world, but to save ourselves.

SPEAKER_2: But in doing that, you save the world.

SPEAKER_2: So there’s like these new connections that start happening when we, you know, decide to work towards an awakening or towards becoming more conscious.

SPEAKER_2: And in many ways, that also involves how we learn to come back together, you know, to just kind of find a way to cross that bridge between all of the things that divide and separate us or cause us to, again, you know, think that the enemy is outside of ourselves.

SPEAKER_2: So I know this is deep work. SPEAKER_2: This is very deep work.

SPEAKER_2: And there’s no kind of easy way of, you know, kind of coming up with a, you know, like an empowering sentence.

SPEAKER_2: It’s just a willingness to become more and more aware of ourselves and our relationship to each other and our world.

SPEAKER_1: I love that definition, Eleanor.
SPEAKER_1: You did a beautiful job defining awakening and helping people understand. SPEAKER_1: And I’d like to share a couple of thoughts there.
SPEAKER_1: Firstly, this is courageous work because, yes, it is.
SPEAKER_1: Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_1: It is.

SPEAKER_1: There is nothing easy about it. SPEAKER_1: There are no shortcuts. SPEAKER_1: There is no magic pill. SPEAKER_1: Right.

SPEAKER_1: It is courageous and curious work and it requires time.

SPEAKER_1: So, for anyone who is listening right now, I want them to know that because I have been on this path for 32 years and still learning, still unfolding, still finding those tough spots to reconcile about myself and knowing that when I do, like you said, that I become then a mirror for others.

SPEAKER_1: You know, for the world that I want to see.
SPEAKER_1: I mean, we literally, our brains, our brains have this capacity, right?
SPEAKER_1: These mirror neurons.
SPEAKER_1: And I also find it comforting in times like these.
SPEAKER_1: And, you know, we can look across history and see, for sure, other difficult times. SPEAKER_1: I agree with you.
SPEAKER_1: I don’t know that we’ve ever experienced anything quite like this.
SPEAKER_1: Maybe other generations would have said the same thing.
SPEAKER_1: But I remind myself that we built these systems.
SPEAKER_1: We built these rules.
SPEAKER_1: We’ve built these paradigms, which means that we can rebuild them if we choose to. SPEAKER_1: And I find that to be really comforting.
SPEAKER_2: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_2: It is.
SPEAKER_2: It’s empowering.

SPEAKER_2: And it gives us more access to choice.
SPEAKER_2: And, you know, as you said, it is a process.
SPEAKER_2: And there’s a mystery in all of this.
SPEAKER_2: At the same time, you know, we can’t figure it out and we can’t fix things.
SPEAKER_2: We have to kind of find ways to co-create with all these new levels of reality in our lives.

SPEAKER_2: And I think, yes, there’s always so much that we could learn from the past and from history and from the lives of individuals who have lived exemplary lives and who have made a difference in the face of the crisis that they faced in their generations.

SPEAKER_2: I think there’s still meaning in all of that.

SPEAKER_2: And I think also in terms of my own life path, I mean, especially in my early years, you know, I found that if I didn’t have access to the best that the world had to offer through, you know, just voracious reading and just, you know, learning as much as I could learn, I just didn’t know how to get through a day.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I needed that inspiration. SPEAKER_2: Inspiration is very, very important to me.

SPEAKER_2: And one of the things I love so much about you, Cole, is that you are so– you’re embodied in your inspiration.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, it’s just listening to you just opens the cellular life of hope itself. SPEAKER_2: It’s a wonderful thing.
SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
SPEAKER_2: It’s very– it’s great.

SPEAKER_2: It’s very– it’s lovely.
SPEAKER_2: It’s lovely.
SPEAKER_2: It’s like sunshine.
SPEAKER_2: Sunshine.
SPEAKER_1: I just want you to know, Eleanor, that I’m smiling from ear to ear.

SPEAKER_1: My cheeks are a bit flushed and I’m taking those words that you’ve just shared and I’m putting them in something that I call my joy jar, which is– it is figurative, but I imagine it as this jar, this clear jar that I can see through and it has a big cork on top and I take it off and every time that I feel or experience something like you’ve just shared, I plop it right in there.

SPEAKER_1: And when I’m having a little bit of a tough day, I uncork it and just take a little whiff and I am inspired then, so thank you.

SPEAKER_1: That inspiration works full circle, so thank you so much for that generosity. SPEAKER_2: Yes.

SPEAKER_2: Well, I love also because ritual, having these different kind of symbolic gestures or rituals that we can engage in.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I do.

SPEAKER_2: I always have.

SPEAKER_2: It’s been very, very important in my life to be able to find ways that– to help myself when I’m in– you know, I’m facing crisis or I’m– you know, I’m finding difficulty when the ground gets pulled out from underneath me.

SPEAKER_2: And I need to have those tools.

SPEAKER_2: The other thing for me too that has been so salvational is that, you know, for almost now 50 years, I’ve been, you know, a very serious practitioner as a Buddhist but also as a deep, deep Christian.

SPEAKER_2: And that has been, you know, my deepest stabilization.

SPEAKER_2: And it’s a dailiness.

SPEAKER_2: It’s something that I work at every day.

SPEAKER_2: And it’s like there’s never, you don’t end, you know, you never reach an end point in terms of growing.

SPEAKER_2: You know, you just.
SPEAKER_1: That’s beautiful, isn’t it?
SPEAKER_1: I mean, that in and of itself is just a beautiful thing that there is no end point to growth. SPEAKER_1: That’s amazing.

SPEAKER_1: On the note of Buddhism, as you think back now across the last 50 years of practicing, what are the most important tenets of Buddhism for you as you think about your life and your consciousness?

SPEAKER_2: Well, for me, you know, the thing that was so amazing, I mean, in the early years when I was just involved with, you know, the Christian mysteries and, you know, I had grown up as a very, very devout Roman Catholic Christian.

SPEAKER_2: And I took my faith very seriously.

SPEAKER_2: And also my mother was also, and my mother line were all very, very deep Catholic practitioners.

SPEAKER_2: And that played a really important role in my life, and it still does.

SPEAKER_2: The thing that for me when, you know, in studying Buddhism, I began, you know, I stepped into the gateway of understanding or stretching my mind to understand non-dual, to understand that, you know, everything is food for realization.

SPEAKER_2: And so it took me out of this thing of wrestling in the same way with, say, negativity or, you know, what we would call in a Christian world, sin.

SPEAKER_2: I started to see things in a very different way.

SPEAKER_2: And then, you know, and I want to share this, this was, you know, a great privilege for me, but in, I guess it was like around 1987, I had a private audience with this holiness, the Dalai Lama, and in that experience, I realized that I wanted to become a Buddhist practitioner.

SPEAKER_2: I wanted to be able to sit.
SPEAKER_2: I wanted to move out of just, you know, a kind of analytical approach or, you know, study.

SPEAKER_2: I wanted to literally, you know, learn how to be able to sit and to begin the journey toward embodiment.

SPEAKER_2: And, and Buddhism has been an extraordinary tool in order to find ways to do this and, you know, and through, through the, well, again, using this word or the awakening that comes, that is discovered through practice.

SPEAKER_2: It’s not a mental activity.

SPEAKER_2: It’s like something, something rises within you, and it’s like this great teacher that’s within you, and it, and you, you, you, you build this, well, for all of us, I mean, the degree, our relationship to faith shows us, you know, our relationship to trust, you know, and Buddhism was so, is so active in, in teaching compassion and, again, allowing that everything is food for realization.

SPEAKER_2: It’s like, obstacles become, become, almost become a path, in a sense, because you know that within that, you’ll find the gold, with, if you can learn to, to find ways to, to face the things that are your greatest fears or anxieties or, or trigger points.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, there’s, there’s mana in there.

SPEAKER_2: But if you have, when you have spiritual practice, it’s, it gives you a, it gives you a stabilization, you know, internally, it’s bigger than your self-conscious awareness.

SPEAKER_2: It’s a wonderful thing.

SPEAKER_2: It’s, in many ways, prayer is that as well.

SPEAKER_1: Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_2: You know, you have to, you have to bow your head, you have to open your heart, you have to, you have to trust in something that’s bigger than your understanding.

SPEAKER_2: And that, you know, that is, that’s empowering. SPEAKER_1: And it’s also humbling, isn’t it?
SPEAKER_1: It is.
SPEAKER_1: It is.

SPEAKER_2: It is.

SPEAKER_2: And nobody can take it away from you.

SPEAKER_1: No, no.

SPEAKER_1: Someone told me one time, I thought this was so beautiful, Eleanor, they said, prayers when you talk to God and meditation is when God answers, whatever we call God, right?

SPEAKER_1: So whether it is the Christian definition of God or, you know, some people don’t subscribe to that.

SPEAKER_1: So it’s the universal consciousness, you know, coming back to answer you.

SPEAKER_1: Some people would call this awakening intuitive intelligence, the wisdom that comes from self, right?

SPEAKER_2: Right.
SPEAKER_2: I mean, for many years, I didn’t say, you know, I never said very much that I was a

Buddhist or I never ever ever said that I was, you know, raised a Christian.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, there was so much judgment, so much like this onslaught of everybody’s anxiety around, you know, anything that had to do with, quote, religion.

SPEAKER_2: So you just stayed away from that.

SPEAKER_2: You tried to find other ways to talk about it, and of course, consciousness has been one of the ways because we’ve been, you know, in our own culture, there’s been an extraordinary opportunity and catalytic energy around human potential and around, you know, self-improvement and around, you know, finding ways, creative ways of co-creating and, you know, bridge building and trying to learn ways also in our own dailyness to do less harm, you know, to have a creative relationship to nonviolence or out projection or all of these things, you know, very, you know, you start very small, but then they, you know, you just, it develops a muscle and it helps you to deal with conflict in a much more creative and generous and compassionate way.

SPEAKER_1: It really does, and that conflict doesn’t have to be like the war that’s, any of the wars that are happening right now.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, we have so many wars. SPEAKER_1: We have wars between countries.

SPEAKER_1: We have wars between, you know, political parties, wars between, you know, communities, between churches.

SPEAKER_1: It doesn’t have to just be the grand scale traditional war that we think about.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, there, we have wars going on within ourselves right now.

SPEAKER_2: That’s right, that’s right.

SPEAKER_1: And so as you think about your practice and spirituality, and I could not agree more, like I, I don’t know where I would be without my spiritual practices, which are very personal to me.

SPEAKER_1: You know, they don’t have a label.

SPEAKER_1: They are just quite simply my belief in something much bigger than myself.

SPEAKER_1: But in your experience, Eleanor, what wisdom can you share with people?

SPEAKER_1: Because some of the women who are listening are new to mindfulness and presence, and they’re not familiar with these terms because it’s all still very new to them.

SPEAKER_1: What would you say about the ways that, let’s start with mindfulness.

SPEAKER_1: How has mindfulness, that practice, really shaped your life, both as a woman, as an activist, as a filmmaker?

SPEAKER_1: How has that come into play for you?

SPEAKER_2: Well, I love that we arrived at the point where we could talk about mindfulness.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, mindfulness has its roots in deep, deep spirituality.

SPEAKER_2: How do we find, how do we discover within ourselves the ability to be kinder, to be less judgmental, to have the muscle that allows us in the face of intolerance to be more tolerant?

SPEAKER_2: That’s very, very powerful when you can develop that within yourself.

SPEAKER_2: Or even if you just start, you know, mindfulness, I mean, mindfulness gives you the gateway into noticing, into paying attention, and to becoming more aware of your own responses, your own trigger points, your own reactivity, your own ways of participating with others.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I think at this stage in my life, now when I’m in my, you know, in my mid-70s and things, I think one of the most important things for me, and this holds at such a meta level and also at the simplest level, human kindness, human understanding, a willingness to believe in the possibility that things can change, that each one of us in our own simple way, in our own authentic, honest way can participate in that change.

SPEAKER_2: It doesn’t matter how simple it is or how complex it is.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, for me, at a certain point in my own career as an artist, it was really important when I took all of the, you know, I was in the heart of the collective trauma in terms of looking at, you know, the deeper questions that have no ready answers.

SPEAKER_2: And to begin that investigation.
SPEAKER_2: And there was a certain point where I had to start taking it into myself.

SPEAKER_2: In other words, that bridge that I had between good and evil, right and wrong, you know, violence, nonviolence, love, hate, tolerance, intolerance, all of these divisive splits, I needed to kind of find a way to bring that into, integrate that within myself so that I could hold, I could embody my own authenticity, I could embody my own practice.

SPEAKER_2: Instead of it being a mental thing or these great ideas that I had in my mind, how do I stay in the face of crisis in my heart?

SPEAKER_2: And how do I stay embodied?

SPEAKER_2: I mean, nowadays it’s popular to talk about frequency and vibration and holding that within ourselves and that’s a language in itself.

SPEAKER_2: But embodiment became a very, very important, very important in my life and also in my work and among my teams, the artists I work with, we all wanted to become, you know, we wanted to be able to stand in our truth and stand in our inauthenticity, rather than just be, you know, really clever in our narratives, you know, and we wanted to just, yeah, it’s a lot of work, but it’s also there’s a certain joy in knowing that one is in full participation in one’s own life with this.

SPEAKER_2: And to the, you know, to a lesser or greater degree, you know, we work every day to just become, you know, just more aware and better and to stay hopeful, hopeful in the sense that we allow for the possibility that it could actually be different.

SPEAKER_2: It could be whole, that the war could end.


SPEAKER_1: Well, it can.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, all the wars that we talked about, all of them can, because all of them are being created, held onto, fueled by human beings, right?

SPEAKER_1: There’s not an outside force here. SPEAKER_1: It’s all human beings.

SPEAKER_1: And as we think about the word presence, because I understand, I think about mindfulness as a practice that leads us to presence.

SPEAKER_1: And I reflect on so many of the conversations that I’ve had with people that I love in my life, that I know, they may be people I don’t even know very well, but at the heart of things, we all share a lot of concern for many of the same things.

SPEAKER_1: And then I’ve noticed in a lot of, even the women that I coach, that there’s so much fear around the future.

SPEAKER_1: So what do you believe is the biggest gift that presence has to offer us as we think about, you know, regret of the past, fear of the future?

SPEAKER_2: Right, right.

SPEAKER_2: And when we talk about presence, I use that word a lot as well, because to me that, again, going back to mindfulness, to be present means you’re aware, you’re noticing.

SPEAKER_2: And when you can, when you, I sometimes think of myself now, even though I still, you know, I’m still an artist, it’s the work that I do in the world and building new stories, but also as a kind of visionary evolutionary, you know, in the sense of knowing that there’s something that’s seeking expression in all of our lives and something that is searching for a birth canal in terms of evolving into a, you know, into the betterment, into, you know, like moving out of, you know, just being homo sapiens, moving into

the dignity of being human beings to be able to fully participate in our world.

SPEAKER_2: And I think with all the changes that are going on, with all the structures that are being, you know, challenged and dissolved and no longer, I mean, they’re feeling like they’re obsolete.

SPEAKER_2: I think it’s like there’s a birth within people.

SPEAKER_2: It’s like it’s among the people.

SPEAKER_2: It’s in our relationships with each other.

SPEAKER_2: It’s the way we co-create with each other that I just, I feel that, you know, there’s just, you know, new horizons that are seeking expression and I believe we’re going to pull it through.

SPEAKER_2: I’m very, very hopeful.

SPEAKER_2: I’m hopeful about humanity and also our relationship to the earth that we’re working together.

SPEAKER_2: There’s just so much positive energy in the world right now, simultaneously with all of this other breakdown.

SPEAKER_2: And that is something that I pay close attention to.

SPEAKER_2: I have deep faith in and I allow for the possibility, the kind of sacred alchemy that we’re going to turn this poison to medicine.


SPEAKER_2: the best sense.

SPEAKER_2: dishonesty, all

We’re going to find the gold in the lead.
We’re going to, we’re just going to find new ways.
And I think, you know, in many ways, you know, our technology will help us to do this in

We’re always going to be dealing with, with, you know, corruption, misinformation, of these different things.

wave of consciousness that’s coming into being in our world right now.

But simultaneously, there’s another building that’s happening, there’s another, another

SPEAKER_2: And many of the great mystics have often talked about that at this particular time in human history, there’s an opportunity for awakening that’s never been here before, that’s never been part of human history before.

SPEAKER_2: This is something very brand new.

SPEAKER_2: So yeah.
SPEAKER_1: I love that, Eleanor.
SPEAKER_1: I mean, it makes me feel so grateful to be alive at this point in time. SPEAKER_1: I mean, it’s just really, it’s just really cool, you know, to, and so empowering. SPEAKER_2: Yes.

SPEAKER_1: And that’s why I think, you know, I released an episode last week that talked about how we are so disempowered by the hype of the media and, you know, all of the messages that are just saturating our mind and our body and our energy and leaving us feeling so depleted and stressed out and afraid and, you know.

SPEAKER_1: And I think at the end of the day and at the start of the day, if we remember that we have this incredible human, individual power that we can bring together to co-create, as you were saying, we can find solutions all day long.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, look at all of the things we’ve accomplished in the past that we’re accomplishing right now.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, we’re making organs in 3D printers for good sakes, right? SPEAKER_1: So whoever thought that that was going to be possible?

SPEAKER_1: I mean, there’s so much cool stuff happening and that’s all happening because of us being our human selves, not homo sapiens as you were mentioning before, right?

SPEAKER_1: So let’s shift gears a little bit and talk about the generations. SPEAKER_1: You are a blissfully unaffiliated boomer.

SPEAKER_1: What do you think we can learn as women from the generations as we live alongside one another?

SPEAKER_2: Well, you know, I think back in the, you know, I was a student in England, I was at University in England, you know, and came back to the United States, I think it was in 1970.

SPEAKER_2: And when I came back to the United States, it was such an extraordinary experience because the women’s, the birth of the women’s movement was happening.

SPEAKER_2: You know, it was starting to really, really flourish and there was so much going on about, you know, women starting to investigate their lives in a way that that had never really been opened before.

SPEAKER_2: And it was, it was, it was a real, it was really, it was, it was really an extraordinary time.

SPEAKER_2: And for me, you know, I was so proud of the fact that I was, you know, an artist in the world and I didn’t want to be defined by my gender.

SPEAKER_2: I always felt that I wanted to be able to equally compete as a woman, as a wise woman and as a conscious woman.

SPEAKER_2: But you know, when I was in training, like I wanted to be, you know, a director in the theater.

SPEAKER_2: And at that time, in the, in the early 70s, late, late 60s, early 70s, it was not something that was available for women.

SPEAKER_2: So I became, you know, when I came back to the States, I became, I was able to train as a woman director in the theater through the program that was started by NYU, which is at that time called the School of the Arts, which is now Tisch.

SPEAKER_2: But it was the first program in the country that allowed women to participate in training in theater as directors.

SPEAKER_2: It was a very exciting time.

SPEAKER_2: And in the program that I was part of at NYU, they only chose six students out of many, and two of which had to be women.

SPEAKER_2: And I was part of that in the early days.

SPEAKER_2: And it was really, it was, it was just, there was an, again, going back to the, to the word awakening, it was like a new opportunity that was made available suddenly.

SPEAKER_2: And I have learned so much in my life through the lives of women.

SPEAKER_2: And, and I have stayed loyal to looking at the world through the eyes of the conscious feminine.

SPEAKER_2: And many, again, of the great beings on the planet and the mystics and the wise ones are saying that a real key right now in terms of what’s happening in our world and the opportunities that are going to be made more and more available are going to come through women.

SPEAKER_2: And it’s going to come through the conscious feminine. SPEAKER_2: And that in many ways goes beyond gender.

SPEAKER_1: So talk a little bit about that because, again, this is language that you and I share and language.

SPEAKER_1: Yeah, some people may not understand about divine feminine, divine masculine.

SPEAKER_1: And they could be especially confused when you say, you know, and it doesn’t mean that that’s coming from a woman.

SPEAKER_1: So if you would be so kind as to share your views on divine feminine and, you know, what that means for all people.

SPEAKER_2: Right.

SPEAKER_2: And when you understand the, when you, well, I guess, you know, it’s not something you, you have to kind of, you know, work toward it.

SPEAKER_2: You have to, you have to educate yourself and understanding those values.

SPEAKER_2: But looking at the whole from the perspective of the conscious feminine, it just allows you to, you know, it’s like this perception that you have that you can look at everything that’s in the world, but you bring the values of that innate intelligent into view.

SPEAKER_2: And, you know, in the source, you know, if, again, I, you know, I live in all of these deep streams and I’m always, you know, drawn to the kind of meta essence of things.

SPEAKER_2: And I long for simplicity.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I had a teacher once who said that Eleanor goes to the most complex systems to get simple.

SPEAKER_2: And, you know, I mean, to just, I mean, we were all, you know, we’re all daughters of the patriarchy.

SPEAKER_2: We’re all part of the patriarchy.
SPEAKER_2: So we are well aware of the best and the worst of the patriarchy.

SPEAKER_2: But how we begin the investigation into understanding the feminine and to know that we have the right, you know, I mean, I was just I was a kid when I came across, you know, Simone de Beauvoir’s, you know, radical, you know, book on the second sex, you know, like to suddenly, you know, kind of realize that we’ve we’ve been in that that position.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I come from on the father line, a military family.
SPEAKER_2: And, you know, and my my parents had, you know, six six daughters and one son.

SPEAKER_2: And, you know, we we were, you know, and I thought, you know, if when I was a kid, you know, I’d say to my father, gee, I’d like to be part of the army or I’d like to, you know, be an officer or this.

SPEAKER_2: And I was always told, well, you can’t, you know, that’s not, you know, it’s closed to women.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I I grew up in a world that was always being told that I couldn’t participate because I was a woman.

SPEAKER_2: I used to say to my mother, you know, I was very ambitious. SPEAKER_2: I would say, Ma, gee, I’d like to run for president.
SPEAKER_2: And she would say to me, you can’t.
SPEAKER_1: Oh, my God, I would love to have you as our president right now. SPEAKER_1: Can you can you do it now, Eleanor?

SPEAKER_1: I mean, you’re younger than anybody else running. SPEAKER_1: Could you do it now?
SPEAKER_2: Wouldn’t that be something to have? SPEAKER_2: Yeah, a real wow.

SPEAKER_2: Wow, that would be a beginning. SPEAKER_2: That would be a new beginning.

SPEAKER_2: Well, but, you know, even even in my own life, when I was, you know, again, in my youth, I wanted to be I wanted to participate in the world.

SPEAKER_2: So there were a lot of places I couldn’t, you know, that wasn’t available to me.

SPEAKER_2: But I thought, you know, and because I came, you know, I had this military lineage and I always thought, you know, that my father was off, you know, you know, defending the free world and, you know, making making the world a safer, better place for all of us.

SPEAKER_2: And so I thought when I was like 16, 15, 16, that maybe I could be an FBI agent and then I could, you know, work to, you know, like combat evil.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I couldn’t be in the military.
SPEAKER_2: But I but you know, when I was 16 years old, this is really interesting. SPEAKER_2: I was so I mean, I was so innocent, but I had a private audience with J.

SPEAKER_2: Edgar Hoover. SPEAKER_2: I was interviewed by J.

SPEAKER_2: Edgar Hoover, and I went to him because I wanted to let him know I wanted to be an FBI agent.

SPEAKER_2: And I was told he was so gracious.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I know there’s so much blah, blah, blah around, but I was innocent.

SPEAKER_2: But he was very, very gracious, very respectful.

SPEAKER_2: And he wanted me to know that a woman like me would be invaluable in the organization as an executive secretary.

SPEAKER_2: And I would help the FBI agents in the field be better at what they do.

SPEAKER_2: So anyway, it’s interesting, isn’t it?

SPEAKER_2: When you think in our world now is so open to women.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I look at all the films that are being made and the amazing young women who are working in the industry.

SPEAKER_2: And it makes me so happy to see, you know, the opportunities that are available now and the kind of yes, that’s available for women in a way that, you know, wasn’t true for me as I was, you know, as I was growing up.

SPEAKER_2: But I had that kind of determination and felt that I had the right to be able to be in the world.

SPEAKER_2: And I made it my business to educate myself.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I read everything I could, you know, of women’s lives and of the women who became my mentors.

SPEAKER_2: And in the early days of my company, my theater company, you know, I would have all the great women, you know, the Gloria Steinem, the Kate Millets, the, you know, Adrienne Rich.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, just so many of the wonderful women who were mentors to me, who would all come into, you know, into, you know, they were part of our audience.

SPEAKER_2: And so we would have these wonderful discussions about, you know, about life and growth and possibility.

SPEAKER_2: And I, you know, that was, you know, that awakening again, that consciousness between all of us, you know, and the building of community and stuff.

SPEAKER_2: It was a very, very wonderful time.
SPEAKER_2: And I hope that, you know, that’s still happening today.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I mean, now with, you know, with Zoom and all the ways that we can communicate, you know, through our technology.

SPEAKER_2: But you and I talking together like this.
SPEAKER_2: And yeah, just very, very, very powerful.
SPEAKER_1: And so what would you say to women?
SPEAKER_1: I have to pause you here because, I mean, okay, we have J. SPEAKER_1: Edgar Hoover.

SPEAKER_1: Like, I mean, this is incredible, Eleanor.

SPEAKER_1: And you did grow up in a very different time in history, and I will tell you that now, I know that there are women still fighting for rights that we don’t have, equality that we don’t have.

SPEAKER_1: What would you say to those women about the role of ambition and determination based on your own experience when it comes to really having the opportunity to realize, to actualize those things that they want for themselves when maybe a door is closed?

SPEAKER_2: Well, I think the most important thing is we can’t do it alone, and we need each other.

SPEAKER_2: And so if you have, if the desire is there, if you have that burning passion to grow or to become bigger than your own, you know, circumstances, you know, how to find the courage to ask for what you need.

SPEAKER_2: If you knock on the door and the door is closed, how do you find the courage or the determination to find another opening to not just think that it’s closed?

SPEAKER_2: For me, you know, I didn’t have a family that was behind me that could help me financially.

SPEAKER_2: So and I had this this desire to be educated.

SPEAKER_2: And so I competed and I had to find ways, you know, and so every time I had a closed door, I had to find another opening because it meant I just wouldn’t take a no.

SPEAKER_2: And so I couldn’t have done anything that I’ve done in my life if I didn’t have the support of others, whether or not they agreed with my own whatever, but that they just they gave permission.

SPEAKER_2: They were supportive.

SPEAKER_2: And I find in I just find in life in general now, or, you know, it’s just that we all need each other.

SPEAKER_2: None of us can do any of this alone.

SPEAKER_2: We need to find ways to ask.

SPEAKER_2: We need to find ways to participate.

SPEAKER_2: We need to find whatever it is that will help us and to not be afraid.

SPEAKER_1: And participating in ways that are that are actually connected because we do have this very false sense of connection.

SPEAKER_1: Yes, which is ironic, right?

SPEAKER_1: Because we’re hyper connected to these tracking devices that we keep in our pocketbooks and in our pockets.

SPEAKER_1: That’s right.

SPEAKER_1: It’s just I mean, we are all wearing ankle bracelets.

SPEAKER_1: I just have a different shape.

SPEAKER_1: So so I hear support and I hear connection and I hear participating like actively in communities.

SPEAKER_1: So let’s let’s talk a little bit about these communities.
SPEAKER_1: You’ve mentioned an alchemy of becoming when we are in a community, right? SPEAKER_2: Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_2: Well, it’s it’s what you’ve done to, you know, Cole with, you know, she grabs the mic and with the wonderful work that you’re doing and that, you know, it goes out into the world through through the media that’s that that we have today.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, once upon a time, we met in real time. SPEAKER_2: We had circles.

SPEAKER_2: We sat together.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I had, you know, I had for almost, you know, for for decades, I had this huge loft off of Washington, Washington Square Park in in in Manhattan.

SPEAKER_2: And it was a center of operation.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, people gathered, you know, and it wasn’t about, you know, that you couldn’t you couldn’t do it because you couldn’t, you know, pay huge amounts of money.

SPEAKER_2: It was it was a different time.
SPEAKER_2: We had we had the space to gather together.
SPEAKER_2: And that was wonderful.
SPEAKER_2: And I do miss that.
SPEAKER_2: But now we’re doing it through technology and we’re doing it through. SPEAKER_2: I mean, you know, even I mean, I don’t even know when podcasts started. SPEAKER_2: I mean, I worked for three years with Dr.

SPEAKER_2: Polly Young-Eisendrath on the podcast on enemies from war to wisdom when we tackled some of these, you know, deeper issues in terms of finding nonviolent ways of addressing conflict within self and other and our world.

SPEAKER_2: And so podcasts have become a wonderful tool right now for for learning.

SPEAKER_2: Or now people talk to me about, you know, that they’re finding they’re having, you know, their university is in YouTube, you know, and they’re really searching.

SPEAKER_2: And so so much that’s available that wasn’t available once upon a time. SPEAKER_2: I mean, unless you had the willingness to, you know, go to your local library. SPEAKER_1: So I want to comment on I want to comment on two things here. SPEAKER_1: Firstly, your podcast that you did.

SPEAKER_1: Uh huh.
SPEAKER_1: It is exceptional.
SPEAKER_1: So we’re going to be sure to put a show link to that at the end of the show notes.

SPEAKER_1: It is so inspiring.
SPEAKER_1: It is so real.
SPEAKER_1: I absolutely loved it.
SPEAKER_1: So thank you.
SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah.
SPEAKER_1: Thank you so much for creating that body of work. SPEAKER_1: And it’s funny.

SPEAKER_1: It’s funny and it’s kind of heartbreaking at the same time that we’re still we still need to have that conversation in 2024.

SPEAKER_1: Like, there are a lot of conversations, Eleanor, that sadden me that we have to have in 2024.

SPEAKER_1: But like you, I have hope that now that we are more of us are sharing language of consciousness and mindfulness and presence and potential and we are right.

SPEAKER_1: That I think maybe the evolution of those conversations will begin to change. SPEAKER_1: And I think that’s a really and create something very beautiful on the other side. SPEAKER_1: So that’s really something that I wanted to comment on with you. SPEAKER_1: And so well done on the podcast.

SPEAKER_1: And thank you again.
SPEAKER_1: That took so much work and love.
SPEAKER_1: And it’s, you know, podcasts are passion projects, right?
SPEAKER_2: Yes, they are.
SPEAKER_2: Yes, they are.
SPEAKER_2: And they’re free.
SPEAKER_2: I mean, in the sense that you’re not, you know, it’s like it’s, there’s an opening, an opening

that was made available to us and also a place where we could put our voice forth, which is very important.


SPEAKER_1: And I’d also like to thank all of the YouTubers out there who are sharing knowledge and wisdom and teaching people.

SPEAKER_1: Like, I have to say, across all of the social media platforms, because I think most of them are total shit, I’m going to tell you, I’ve been so impressed by the why of YouTube because to me, it is a platform.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, there’s some crap on it, right? SPEAKER_1: Of course, that’s just the thing with life. SPEAKER_1: There’s a lot of good stuff and there’s some crap. SPEAKER_2: That’s right.

SPEAKER_1: But by its nature, it is a platform for sharing.

SPEAKER_1: And the way that people come on and they’re not getting paid, I mean, some of them are once they get above a million followers or something.

SPEAKER_1: But I learned how to play ukulele from a guy in Australia, from a guy sitting in Australia.

SPEAKER_1: And this was during COVID when you couldn’t go anywhere.

SPEAKER_1: And so I picked up my son’s ukulele and checked YouTube.

SPEAKER_1: And sure enough, there was a guy and he said, and I’ll take you through how we start and how we make songs.

SPEAKER_1: And I was like, wow, this is amazing. SPEAKER_1: So there is so much generosity out there.

SPEAKER_1: And nothing beats communicating in real life, wrapping your arms around a human being and being witness to them in person.

SPEAKER_1: So let’s talk about this.
SPEAKER_1: You mentioned it earlier, the polarization, the divisiveness that exists in the world. SPEAKER_1: What cross-cultural commonalities have you noticed, Eleanor, specifically in communities

that you feel are really important for us to be aware of today? SPEAKER_2: That’s a deep question.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, I think for me in my own life, one of the things that I pay very close attention to is when I notice, when I notice, I mean, there are many times when I don’t notice and I kind of get banged up against the wall and then I notice.

SPEAKER_2: But I’m very grateful when I can notice that I’m projecting something out on another person and I’m not being responsible to my own relationship, you know, my relationship to my own reactivity.

SPEAKER_2: So I practice that a lot.
SPEAKER_2: I mean, and I’m not, I mean, I’m far from being as skillful as I want to be. SPEAKER_2: But I’m noticing that more now than I ever did at any other point in my life.

SPEAKER_2: And it gives me a, gives me kind of greater self-compassion and patience with myself, you know, so that I don’t go spinning into all these kind of negative mind shatters around how wrong I am or I’m not good enough or I’m not this enough or that, you know, all of those kind of voices that come in, all of those kind of that inner critic that we all struggle with.

SPEAKER_2: And that makes, that gives me a little bit more, there’s a quality of life in that, a certain kind of permission to, again, be present with whatever is.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I mean, once upon a time when I was with some of the great yogis and they would say to me, whichever way it goes, may it go that way, and I thought, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_2: What do you mean?

SPEAKER_2: Or, you know, in my years with, with, you know, teachings with Brew Joy, who I respected so much and who’s no longer with us, but his wisdom certainly is.

SPEAKER_2: And he said to me once, he said, you know, Eleanor, there’s no difference between the darkness and the light.

SPEAKER_2: And again, I thought, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_2: You know, I didn’t understand any of that.

SPEAKER_2: So again, you know, in my own life path, you know, working to try to find ways to understand what I didn’t understand and to, and to allow myself to, to, you know, develop my own muscles of growth and to be kind to my, you know, to be kinder, just to be kinder, to do no harm to the best of my ability.

SPEAKER_2: And that’s very important to me.

SPEAKER_2: It’s personal, but it’s also has, has a lot of universal benefits, you might say.

SPEAKER_1: Absolutely.

SPEAKER_1: Because here’s what, here’s what I’m understanding that you’re saying.

SPEAKER_1: I am understanding that you’re saying, you know, being aware of your own self-critic, your own judgment, your own, you know, lack of acceptance or love for self.

SPEAKER_1: But that really, that really does color the way that we would view, the way we do view one another, especially if we are from different cultures and have different experiences.

SPEAKER_2: Right.

SPEAKER_1: But by bridging that on our own, doing again, the inside job.

SPEAKER_2: Right.

SPEAKER_1: Of bridging that, reconciling, becoming aware.

SPEAKER_1: And I so see you when you say, you know, sometimes you’re not noticing it just kind of hits you like a ton of bricks.

SPEAKER_1: Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_1: Every day, every day, you know, your own reactivity, you’re like, oh, there it is again.

SPEAKER_1: But by reconciling that, by even just accepting, oh, this is part of me, this is what’s happening in this moment.

SPEAKER_1: That’s right.
SPEAKER_1: That gives us so much more compassion and understanding.

SPEAKER_1: I mean, the ability to be open and see that we’re all the same, no matter what culture we’re from.

SPEAKER_1: Yes, we have different experiences and ritual, but we all share the commonality of being human beings and fundamentally wanting so many of the same things in our lives.

SPEAKER_2: That’s right.

SPEAKER_2: Well, the degree to which we can do that work ourselves makes it more possible for us to allow that in another.

SPEAKER_2: The more that we can really honor the authenticity of our own path allows us to honor the authenticity of another that is different from us.


SPEAKER_2: I mean, I have learned so much in my life through the difference in other people, other cultures, other languages, other experiences.

SPEAKER_2: It’s been a great teacher to me, but I’ve always had an openness around this. SPEAKER_2: I’ve always had a kind of innate tolerance and respect for the other. SPEAKER_2: I just, I kind of always have.
SPEAKER_2: It’s never left me.

SPEAKER_2: I’ve never looked at another person as ever being, you know, less than me or, you know, that there was something wrong with them because they were different from me.

SPEAKER_2: I just have never had that.
SPEAKER_2: So that’s been a real plus in my life.
SPEAKER_2: I’m very grateful that I have that capacity.
SPEAKER_1: Yes, it’s just one of the one of the many things that makes you extraordinary, Eleanor. SPEAKER_1: So I want to talk about your film for a minute.

SPEAKER_1: You have done an extraordinary amount of work as a peacemaker and you have all of this rich life experience, you know, across cultures and spiritual practices and, you know, as living as so as a slight aside here when you were talking about not wanting to be recognized as a woman.

SPEAKER_1: Artist, you know, I’m like, can’t we make a pronoun that’s just all because I really thought that would be more appropriate, right?

SPEAKER_1: If we could be all because we are all right.
SPEAKER_1: So you’ve you’ve brought all of this magic together to create this film.

SPEAKER_1: So I’m wondering if you would share a bit about the film and then what your greatest hope is for your film.

SPEAKER_2: Well, the film in many ways now has become, you know, a creative document of the journey that we’ve all been on in terms of our own process of awakening and becoming the peacemakers that we that we have become.

SPEAKER_2: And the film, the film, I look at it, you know, I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s very beautiful, beautiful work.

SPEAKER_2: It’s very mythopoetic work.

SPEAKER_2: It’s also this creative way that we have woven our own stories and our own imagination into the fabric of history, and we’ve walked through history.

SPEAKER_2: There’s a, a new story that’s being told through us and through the way that we’ve lived the story.

SPEAKER_2: And so, you know, now we, we, you know, we face the big job of, you know, you know, the edit and to, you know, taking all these different threads and, and I talk about it as, you know, getting ready to sit down at the loom, which will be, you know, in the weaving process when we’re in the edit.

SPEAKER_2: And that is a whole other kind of journey right now, because it involves, you know, raising, you know, lots of money and being able to create the platforms that will allow us to send the work out into the world.

SPEAKER_2: I mean, we once upon a time, we thought, well, you know, you would do it as a film and it would go out as an art film or whatever.

SPEAKER_2: But now I’m thinking about the Internet, you know, and just kind of being able to just, you know, send it out into the world and let it become its own, you know, sole vehicle and teaching vehicle and in a way that we will then interface with a larger global community.

SPEAKER_2: And so that’s very exciting to me.

SPEAKER_2: And, you know, and we’re working toward that and, yeah, so it’s a big job, it’s a big job, but we’re kind of, you know, well schooled in this.

SPEAKER_2: We’ve been doing it now for a very, very long time and, yeah, so, yeah, and then I’m also, you know, I’ve been working on my spiritual memoir where, you know, I’ve worked very rigorously to tell the truth about my own, my own unfoldment, my own journey.

SPEAKER_2: And so that’s happening as well, and it’s hard to know how things are going to unfold. SPEAKER_2: I mean, now, you know, since COVID, a way of life for many of us has changed.

SPEAKER_2: You know, I mean, even for me, like in New York City, where I, you know, I lived for such a long time, I’m not there now.

SPEAKER_2: A lot of the studios that we worked with, you know, they closed. SPEAKER_2: Many of us are in different parts of the world right now.

SPEAKER_2: So it’s it’s it’ll be interesting to see how all of this kind of how we rejoin as things unfold. SPEAKER_1: So as our friend Barbara shares, you and I share the fabulous Barbara.
SPEAKER_2: Yes, our fabulous Barbara.
SPEAKER_1: Our fabulous Barbara, who we love so much and her amazing vision work. SPEAKER_1: She is just, wow, she’s she is just so extraordinary as well.

SPEAKER_1: As she would say, Eleanor, imagine that your film is already out there. SPEAKER_1: See it as if it’s already happened.
SPEAKER_1: So what do you see?
SPEAKER_1: What is your greatest hope?

SPEAKER_1: You know, the film is out in the world. SPEAKER_1: Just imagine it’s already there, Eleanor. SPEAKER_1: The money’s just rained down from wherever. SPEAKER_1: You know, you found a new path. SPEAKER_1: What do you see?

SPEAKER_2: Yeah, I mean, I feel that once the work is in the world, that what the offering is, is in a sense at the deepest level, it becomes like prayer itself.

SPEAKER_2: It becomes a place where for the viewer, they have an experience of a heart opening, of again, of going back to this word that we’ve talked about in our time together, of an awakening, of being able to imagine what they didn’t imagine prior to the experience of this.

SPEAKER_2: Where also, you know, where you can, where you, the offering holds this profound, humble inspiration towards a holistic co-creation of a workable picture of the world.

SPEAKER_2: And a place where there is, you know, where there’s like a living legacy of the preciousness of human and planetary life and a full participation in that.

SPEAKER_2: And in that is a ground swell of hope, of knowing, of allowing for the possibility that we can bring through something of such beauty and gift each other through that.

SPEAKER_2: And that’s the offering, that’s the work.

SPEAKER_2: I do think of it in my own way, personally. SPEAKER_2: I do think of it as an offering of prayer.

SPEAKER_2: And you know, when Gandhi said, you know, once upon a time, he said, you know, prayer from the heart can achieve what nothing else can in this world.

SPEAKER_2: And you know, it’s again, it’s important to kind of take a deep breath and just, again, allow for the possibility.

SPEAKER_2: There’s so much that we don’t know about. SPEAKER_1: I know, right?
SPEAKER_2: I mean, there’s so, so much that we don’t know about. SPEAKER_1: I want this film to come out.

SPEAKER_2: So thank you.

SPEAKER_2: Yes, me too.

SPEAKER_1: So here’s my call to action for any women or humans, all humans who are listening.

SPEAKER_1: If you have connections with a film studio, with funding, please, please, please let this fabulous woman know because this prayer needs to be out in the world.

SPEAKER_1: It’s beautiful.
SPEAKER_1: All right, Ladybug.
SPEAKER_1: We’ve talked about hope, mindfulness, consciousness, peace, prayer, potential. SPEAKER_2: Participation.
SPEAKER_2: Participation in the world.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, participation, communities.
SPEAKER_1: So as you think about, you know, I always like to leave women with three things. SPEAKER_1: So what three things do you believe are most important for women to focus on right now?

SPEAKER_1: As you think about our potential to maximize all of these qualities of peace, consciousness, mindfulness, hope, kindness, what should we be focusing on?

SPEAKER_1: Three things.

SPEAKER_2: Three things.

SPEAKER_2: Well, the first thing is to know that your life matters.

SPEAKER_2: To know that your story is important.

SPEAKER_2: And to know that you can become the change you wish to see in the world, no matter how simple or how vast your participation is.

SPEAKER_2: That the bottom line is that your life matters. SPEAKER_2: And your story matters.
SPEAKER_2: And to share that, to be able to share that, is manna. SPEAKER_1: That is manna, babe.

SPEAKER_1: That’s beautiful.
SPEAKER_1: How can women learn more about you and your work?

SPEAKER_2: Right now, I’m still kind of, you know, off the grid, so to speak, where I’m not on social media.

SPEAKER_2: And, I mean, I’m so involved in actual, you know, in the kind of living of all of this. SPEAKER_2: But hopefully soon, you know, I will be more visible in the world.

SPEAKER_2: But again, if somebody really wanted to be in touch with me, you know, through my email, they can always email me.

SPEAKER_2: And I once met a remarkable person once upon a time who was quite well known in the world.

SPEAKER_2: And she said to me, how can I know more about you?

SPEAKER_2: And I said, knock on my door and ask to come over for coffee.

SPEAKER_2: And she did.

SPEAKER_2: So anybody who does, you know, I mean, my, you know, through my email and stuff, I mean, I always do respond and stuff.

SPEAKER_2: And hopefully soon we’ll be more available through the Internet.

SPEAKER_2: I do look forward to this.

SPEAKER_2: But it’s just been such a long, intense journey.

SPEAKER_2: I’ve only been able to do so much.

SPEAKER_1: Well, you’re on the Internet right now.

SPEAKER_2: And that’s true with you, dear.

SPEAKER_1: I know.

SPEAKER_1: Well, with all of us, you’re right here right now.

SPEAKER_1: So we will look for your film.

SPEAKER_1: We will send positive vibes and energy and prayer that you get, the funding that you need to bring this into the world and share it.

SPEAKER_1: Or that you find a loophole, because it sounds like you’re really great at finding the workaround.

SPEAKER_1: Yeah, finding those universal loopholes.

SPEAKER_1: And we’re going to be looking for your spiritual memoir, which, damn, that took a lot of courage to sit down and write that.

SPEAKER_1: So thank you, Eleanor.
SPEAKER_2: Thank you, Cole.
SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
SPEAKER_1: I mean, it has just been tremendous to have your badass sageness with us today. SPEAKER_1: And I’m so grateful for you.

SPEAKER_1: Thank you.
SPEAKER_1: Thank you.
SPEAKER_1: Thank you for joining us. SPEAKER_2: Thank you.
SPEAKER_2: And thank you to all our listeners.

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SPEAKER_1: So amazing ones.
SPEAKER_1: If you would like to connect with Eleanor, meet her for coffee if you’re on the West Coast. SPEAKER_1: I will be sure to add her email address at the end of the show notes so you can do just that.

SPEAKER_1: And if you’re ready to develop a mindset of conscious clarity and confidence that will empower you to live your very best life and be the change you want to see in the world, I’d love to meet you and help you get there.

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SPEAKER_1: Let’s talk about what’s possible for you together.
SPEAKER_1: And remember, there’s only one you.

SPEAKER_1: Just in case no one’s told you yet today, that’s what makes you amazing. SPEAKER_1: Big love.
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SPEAKER_1: And that’s the end of the show today, everybody.

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